Curse

philo · Jun 06, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by ducktape

Holy Wrath says it subtracts 10 energy from whoever is maintaining the enchantment (the smiter) whenever it does damage to the enemy, so if the smiter has 50 energy, Holy Wrath only dishes damage 5 times before it can't subtract energy from the smiter anymore and (apparently?) stops doing anything. Then all there is dealing any damage is Retribution, which isn't terribly fast to kill stuff with on its own.

That is a grave misunderstanding of how Holy Wrath works. It will continue to do damage, whether or not there is energy left to subtract.

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Originally Posted by ducktape

I'm sure I've misunderstood something with the energy management of the smiter build but I can't figure out what it is. I mean, from what I can tell, there is no energy management other than blessed sig. I saw a video on youtube by a different 600/smite guy but it didn't show the smiter's energy bar so I don't know if the smiter is supposed to run out of energy in 3 seconds or not.

Yes, he is supposed to.

When the runner is a monk who can cast his own Spellbreaker, it is even a good idea to disable Blessed Sig, so that the smiter hero concentrates on his self healing. After casting his enchants, the smiter has no need of energy any more - unless you die and need to be rezzed.

As to the rest: I'm afraid I can't reconstruct your problem. Some foes take a bit longer to kill than others, but in the majority of cases they are all dead 10-15 secs after Spellbreaker has run out. The toughest usually - apart from the monks - are the undead eles and the charr necros: as long as they keep casting on you (once SB has run out), they don't take damage, so you must wait for them to wand you or attack you physically. Sometimes it helps to attack them yourself, but the rest of the time you will have to simply last until they run out of energy.

If you want to check how long it takes other runners, simply join a running group and see for yourself. Even if it is a bad runner (and there are loads of them out there!), you will get an idea on how this compares to your own dealings.

speedy21589 · Jun 06, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Incandecree

I typically start with 686 health. That is 211 health from Vital Blessing. When I end the dungeon I have 734 health.

The optimum health is actually 740. The reason for this is 16 in smite. Holy Wrath is 53 and Retribution is 21. 740 damage at 10% is 74... which is exactly the amount HW and Retribution deal back.

This isn't quite right. Holy Wrath returns 66% of damage taken, up to 53 damage max at 16 smite. Thus, you need to be taking 80 damage to reflect 53 damage back (80 * .66 = 53). Retribution returns 33% of damage taken, up to 21 damage max at 16 smite. Thus, you need to be taking 63 damage to reflect 21 damage back. Of course, if you're only taking 63 damage you might max out retribution but you won't be maxing out holy wrath yet...so you need to be taking 80 damage per hit to max out both. Thus, you need roughly 800 health for max efficiency.

Larcen · Jun 06, 2008, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Yeah, I thought 800ish was on point for max Holy Wrath. Thanks for verifying my math Speedy.

Spiritz · Feb 05, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by A Simple Farmer

I'm pretty sure you can use a superior Salvage Kit to salvage the runes off Ogden, without running the risk of 'destroying' his heapiece. So you could probably run him as 16/16. .

Just so new players know - heros runes when expert or superier salvaged from armor wont break - its only us players armor that can break .
If anyone else has pointed this out already soz for repeating ... only read first 2 pages of post

Fragile Feeling · Feb 05, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Yea thanks for that little bit of info, but was it really worth bringing back a 7 MONTH old thread to tell us?

Spiritz · Feb 05, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Fragile Feeling

Yea thanks for that little bit of info, but was it really worth bringing back a 7 MONTH old thread to tell us?

Considering theres still alot of players trying cof and maybe some are new then yes in my books - Its also a damn good guide so pffftttt !!!!! - besides u managed to bring it back also by posting

Anwyn · Feb 06, 2009, 07:07 AM // 07:07

I cannot wait to try out the Paragon one...

My para is 700K XP and still alive...

When I hit the 1337 mark, I will give the para one a go...

Elite Bushido · May 28, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

on this guide it says to have 12 prot and 14 soul reaping for Necro but in the other guide its 16 curse 3 soul reaping and 12 prot

which one is more efficient?

A Simple Farmer · May 28, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Elite Bushido

on this guide it says to have 12 prot and 14 soul reaping for Necro but in the other guide its 16 curse 3 soul reaping and 12 prot

which one is more efficient?

Hrmm, more efficient is hard to say. SS is probably harder to run but faster; Soul Reaping is easier but slower.

[[icy veins] would be better than running SS for CoF.
Something like this:
[build=OANCY8zkW0dV9QNzNINp+QIB]

Elite Bushido · May 29, 2009, 08:43 PM // 20:43

hmm adding atrophy for the curses build might help for DSC runs to kill seasons/summer's faster with SS

EDIT* scratch that >__> forgot it was primary, could do Wail of Doom or Defile flesh i guess

GW Karasu · Jun 09, 2009, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Sweet man 5/5!

Finally a decent mesmer build that allows me to solo up to four dungeons now. (variants ofc) I wasn't totally sure on how to achieve a decent 600 on a mesmer before this.